Michael Jackson: The Man, the Music and His Legacy

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When Michael Jackson passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, there was an outpouring of grief from around the world. We asked our editors to take a few minutes and collect their thoughts about the music and legacy of one of pop's greatest entertainers.

The Man
Michael Jackson never quite seemed mortal until now. He spent at least 40 of his 50 years trying to escape from his past and his fears and his race and his self, and at least 30 of those 50 years singing about it, and last Thursday, he finally found the door out. Michael Freedberg, the great disco critic from the Boston Phoenix, said once that Michael lived Robert Johnson's life in the plain view of everyone on earth, always watching out for hellhounds over his shoulder. And it's true; if you don't believe me, go back and listen again to the paranoia and foreboding in "Heartbreak Hotel," "Billie Jean," "Beat It," "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" ("You're a buffet, you're a vegetable/ They eat off of you, you're a vegetable") "Torture," "Smooth Criminal" ("You ran into the bedroom/ You were struck down/ It was your doom"), "Dirty Diana," "Who Is It," "Give In to Me," and pretty much all of 1997's great, intense, inexplicably ignored Blood on the Dance Floor album, which was almost entirely about being chased, followed, often to the sound of funereal gothic rock: "Susie got your number/ And Susie ain't your friend/ Look who took you under/ With seven inches in." As somebody approximately Michael Jackson's age (I'll be 49 this year, he was 50), also from the Midwest, with a messed-up and sometimes barely existent childhood of my own, I can relate. And so can Axl Rose, I'm sure, and so can Eminem. And so, in their own way, can the millions if not billions of other people worldwide who loved Michael, and probably plenty of the ones who didn't.

If he did anything wrong in his life -- and part of me doesn't ever want to know if he did -- he certainly also did more good than any of us can ever conceive of. He was easily the greatest dancer of the past three decades, probably the greatest singer, and quite possibly the greatest songwriter. Which adds up the greatest entertainer, period. "I can guarantee you one thing: we will never agree on anything as we agreed on Elvis," Lester Bangs wrote in Presley's obit 32 years ago, only a couple years before Michael Jackson definitively proved him wrong, emerging full-blown into adulthood as the world's most popular musician by presaging generations of young people who would celebrate their adulthood by refusing to grow up. And he emerged, of course, with some of the most celebratory music anybody from those generations will ever hear. But always, in the middle of that celebration, and not always submerged, there was dread. If anybody deserves to finally rest in peace, it's him. -- Chuck Eddy 

Young Michael.jpgWhat has always moved me the most about Michael Jackson -- what I always found most compelling about him as both an artist and a person -- is his incredibly ambivalent position as a cultural icon. Here is an artist who is at once one of the most universally beloved icons in all of popular music history and one of the strangest and least "normal" public figures ever to capture the world's interest. He managed to move beyond child stardom (a feat in and of itself) to a solo career that began by breaking MTV's color barrier and translating niche genres like disco and funk into something a broad, mainstream audience could get behind and get down to, but he could never seem to find a way to feel comfortable in his own skin -- literally and figuratively. In large part, his ability to remain beloved, despite his quirks and idiosyncrasies and even potential criminality, has everything to do with his incredible, undeniable talent. But I also think that something about his apparent alien-ness, his simultaneous ability to appeal to the whole world and inability to relate to it in a conventional way, made him more human to us. Maybe it's overstating it, but it's like he somehow embodied both everything we thought American popular culture should look like -- and all the weird parts of ourselves we cast away or hide to create that image. That's a lot of pressure to put on one person, and the stress was legible on his strange, ever-mutating body. -- Rachel Devitt
 

The Music
I always remember the Jackson 5’s fantastic single “Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)” as being on Off the Wall, which not only remains his finest album but actually proved that disco wasn’t dead. The songs on that album thrived throughout the '80s and sound even better today (thank you, Quincy Jones). Michael’s voice was different -- he now sang really HIGH (when the wretched Wiz movie came out, the once fun-loving Michael Jackson seemed completely devoid of all charisma).


Michael and Quincy.jpgWith Off The Wall, Jackson wanted to make a great record; with Thriller, he wanted to rule the pop world. Nothing on the record topped “Billie Jean,” which may just be the defining single of the 1980s. The Thriller album has a little of everything except New Wave -- R&B rock, ballads, rap (Vincent Price, we miss you, too), even world music. It also had plenty of old-world showbiz hokum, which rock people slammed him for at the time. But it was exactly this classic Hollywood-style razzle-dazzle that was sorely missing from his post-Thriller work. He was still a vital performer, but a different one; as a kid, the joy on his face as he performed was his meal ticket. During the Thriller era, his amazing dance moves became his hallmark -- he was sometimes lit so you couldn’t really see his face. His body replaced his rapidly morphing face.

The amount of hidden, backstage work he put into being a star must have been extraordinary. I can’t think of another rock-era performer who pulled off those choreographed dance moves -- they were closer to Gene Kelly or Fred Astaire or (one more time) Sammy Davis, Jr. But Sammy loved an audience and kept performing even when he was clearly not making too much money from it -- he had to do it. Maybe Jackson got so big he couldn’t perform. Maybe as he aged he couldn’t keep up anymore. Maybe he was so rich and so famous he lost sight of the need to have a career. His sister Janet successfully used his playbook in the 1990s, but she added sensuality and the (broken?) promise that she wasn’t anywhere near as weird as Michael was.

After he got to the top, all the joy went out of his work -- even if it was manufactured showbiz joy. Bad has some good songs on it, but if you are old enough to remember it coming out, you probably remember being hugely disappointed by it. Jackson was already tabloid fodder by this time, but it quickly came to define all that he was. What did Michael Jackson think, feel, like? Who knows, but I miss the time when his life was defined by making other people happy. “Billie Jean,” a heap of Jackson 5 songs (like "Never Can Say Goodbye") and the Off the Wall album still make me happy. I’d prefer not to think about the rest. -- Nick Dedina

His Legacy
Michael with snake.jpgIn 1996, while I was traveling by bus through Chile and Peru, I spent four or five days in the Chilean border city of Arica, a strange, hazy place tucked on a desert plateau between the ocean and the Andes. There on a central shopping plaza, a man (or boy?) would turn up in the afternoons: slim, clad in skinny black pants, loafers and a zippered leather jacket, with long curly hair snaking out beneath his black fedora. He seemed to materialize out of nowhere; I don't recall ever seeing him arrive. He'd hit play on a boombox, and heads would turn to see this figure morph into an almost uncanny embodiment of the American pop singer. He had all the movements down pat -- moonwalking, dancing on tiptoe, twirling, pirouetting. He had the Jheri-curled ringlets just right, and given his Mestizo coloring, when he cocked his hat at a certain angle and skulked just so, it was possible to imagine, at least for an instant, that this was the real thing. He must have done well for himself, because he came every single day. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still working the same beat today, 13 years later -- assuming his knees haven't given out.

I've since seen other Michael Jackson impersonators in other cities in the world, though I can't recall where -- Greece? Turkey? (Oddly, in my three years in Barcelona, I never saw a Michael Jackson amidst the characters and "human statues" of the Ramblas, but I'm sure there will be one there soon.) If the busker singing Bob Marley songs is a staple of city plazas around the world, I suspect that the Michael Jackson impersonator is as well.

Most megastars have a touch of the unreal about them. The more they're filmed and photographed, and the more their private lives are turned inside out for our consumption, the more they seem to be figments of our own imagination. (Just think of The Truman Show or, more disturbingly, South Park's Britney Spears episode.) With Michael Jackson, that sense of unreality was exponential, and not just for his fans. Jackson's surgeries, his eccentricities, his scandals and his retreat into Neverland suggested that even he didn't believe he was real any more. He died before he was forced to prove just that with a grueling, almost unthinkable 50-show run in London, which was to begin this summer. (I can't imagine how, in the end, that episode would not have somehow, irreparably, diminished him.) No matter. Legions of Michael Jackson impersonators around the world are stepping up from the understudy's role. His transformation is complete. Finally more than real, he's become universal, ashes to ashes and dust to a dust of pollen: long live the King of Pop. -- Philip Sherburne


Michael Waving.jpgThere was always something about Michael Jackson that reminded me of the General of the Universe, the central character from Gabriel Garcia Marquez’s hallucinatory, stream-of-consciousness epic, Autumn of the Patriarch. The general is the dictator of an unnamed Caribbean country who was born to a bird woman and with a grossly enlarged testicle that hums songs. He lives to be between 107 and 232 years old, sires 5,000 children, orders time altered (after all, aside from the General of the Universe, he is also the undoer of dawn, the commander of time and repository of light), and sells off the Caribbean Sea to the United States (which then transplants the sea, along with “the reflection of our cities, our timid drowned people, our demented dragons," to barren Arizona).

Toward the end of his life, he becomes overtaken by illusions, unable to distinguish reality from fiction. He becomes unduly paranoid and never appears in public anymore, preferring instead to deploy an army of body doubles. When one of the body doubles is killed, the General doesn’t clarify, and instead orchestrates his public resurrection three days later. When his own death finally comes, the countrymen find him in a dilapidated mansion, a "rotting grandeur" of corpses. No one can process that the dead man lying before them, infected with parasites from the deepest depths of the sea, is the General of the Universe.

Of course, M.J. never killed 2,000 children and dumped them in the sea, as the General does, but he seemed touched by a similar sort of madness and magic. He built his own private Disneyland. He defied physics with the moonwalk. He married Elvis' daughter. He bought the Beatles. He planned to live to be 150. He cavorted with Ronald Reagan. When he visited Africa, he was greeted by 100,000 people. He performed for over a half million people in just seven nights in London. He sold 100 million copies of Thriller. He erected a giant statue of himself that floated down the river Thames. For years, he dressed like a cross between Liberace, a Martian general and an Egyptian pharaoh. He made a complete mesh of race, gender and sexuality. He befriended a pet chimpanzee called Bubbles, who shared his toilet and cleaned his bathroom. And these are just the confirmed facts -- never mind the rumors and accusations.

All of which made it difficult for me to truly believe that he was dead. I spent Sunday halfway expecting that he would pop up on CNN, with a twisted angelic smile, and in a fey voice announce that he had conquered death. But it’s Monday. He’s still gone and the reality of his death is beginning to set in. -- Sam Chennault
 

The Memories
Michael Singing.jpgI was working nights on the radio in Washington, D.C., campaigning for the hearts and minds of teenagers, seducing them with the hottest hits between 6 and 10 P.M.

“The Real Doctor McCoy operating on you tonight!”

It was 1982, the year of Michael’s Thriller album, and needless to say I was playing at least one cut from his pop masterpiece every hour. The station request lines blinked all night long, and whenever you pushed a button there was another teenybopper requesting “Billie Jean” or “Thriller.”

Like every DJ in America, I had my usual suspects who called me religiously -- teenagers who would pour their problems into my ear. I was their surrogate older brother or missing father, the cool guy on the radio who had all the answers.

There was this kid named Michael who was a regular caller that I took a liking to. I looked forward to his calls because he was smart and had his finger on the pulse of the musical trends swirling around his suburban high school. He was my own personal focus group, but better.

Michael called one night very depressed. He’d been taking a lot of heat from his friends at school for his outward devotion to Michael Jackson and his music. He was confused and a bit scared. It was his first time experiencing, or being the brunt of, the fevered anger and putrid smell of racism. His classmates were calling him a “nigger lover.” The peer pressure was intense. He was a white kid in an all-white private high school, and if you weren’t into rock you weren’t in. What is a white kid with rhythm to do?

I suggested he go underground. Keep his Michael appreciation under wraps (“down low” wasn’t in the vernacular yet). No more wearing white gloves and socks to school, and definitely cease and desist the moonwalking. Michael agreed to become a Rolling Stones and Aerosmith fan because we both felt they had more rhythm in their rock 'n' roll.

He would only talk about Michael Jackson to me.

A month later, the King of Pop was coming to D.C. to perform. My Michael confessed nightly how desperately he wanted to go, but he was being questioned about it at school, spied upon. They were watching to see if he would fall off the rock wagon and go worship Michael Jackson in concert. Well, the tickets sold out in hours, and so his decision was made for him.

My station was giving away tickets to the show. I literally had the last pair of tickets in town. I asked for the 96th caller (we were 96.3 on the dial). Long story short, I cheated and said some fake name on the air, but I wrote down Michael as the winner. When he called that night he lost his mind! He got his dad to bring him down to the station to pick up the tickets.

You must remember that back in the day (before Google or Facebook), radio listeners rarely knew the true identities of radio personalities. So when I walked into the lobby to hand the tickets over to Michael and introduced myself, he saw that I was African American (that phrase had just become popular). He was surprised, shocked really … then delighted, as he started to laugh. We both laughed loudly, and his dad just stood there, clueless about our private joke.

Michael told me later it was a performance he would never forget. I wonder, and I hope he’s told this story many times and that it was a small fulfillment of Michael Jackson’s quest for unity. -- Quincy McCoy


Michael Performing.jpgMy favorite M.J. memory is of my sister, who'd been learning the "Thriller" dance in her spare time (she envisioned all of her siblings learning it and taking over a dancefloor one day, but the rest of us were lazy), performing what she knew of it for my 87-year-old grandmother -- who requested it and grinned the whole time. -- Rachel Devitt


Every Friday, my second-grade teacher would bring in her record player, as well as her Prince and Michael Jackson albums, and, for an hour at the end of the day, we'd listen to music and dance. Thriller was the first album I remember owning, and it seemed that everything sprung from that. I grew up in a small town in Louisiana, but I'm sure that most people around my age have similar memories. -- Sam Chennault


I was obsessed with the werewolf transformation in the "Thriller" video myself, not to mention the whole storyline of the "Beat It " video. I was 12, and this skinny dude with the sleeves of his leather jacket rolled up scaring off knife-wielding hoods with his ability to dance-fight made him hands-down the coolest person ever to me, even before he turned into a werewolf a few months later when "Thriller" was first aired on MTV. That premiere itself was practically a holiday -- my father (who was a Teamster for crying out loud) even watched it -- and stands as one of the few times in my life an event actually lived up to its attendant hype. -- Mike McGuirk


After Thriller,
I followed his triumph over pop culture with the singular devotion of an obsessed 8-year-old: in a jean jacket covered by buttons of his face, a hawkish eye on the tabloids and a dog-eared copy of Thriller that I played again, and again. (To really dig the grip that Jackson held on my household, it's important to note that mine was one of THREE Thriller LPs in our house; the other two belonged to my older sister and my brother.) When my great-grandmother's black-and-white television showed his hair on fire during a Pepsi commercial, I cried. Today, looking at the pictures of Michael Jackson wallpapering CNN -- most of them showing cadaverous images of his decline -- I want to only remember the warmth of his greatness and the rapture that accompanied it. -- Nate Cavalieri


I grew up in the '80s and '90s in Southern California -- Disneyland country. So for me, my biggest, fondest, funniest, warmest etc. memory of M.J. was the 1986 premiere of Captain EO, for which I waited a good six hours in line on the weekend of its release. It's possible not all of you remember Captain EO -- it was pulled from the theme parks around the mid-'90s and there was no accompanying soundtrack (though its two original songs, "Another Part of Me" and "We Are Here to Change the World," found their way onto subsequent Jackson releases, Bad and The Ultimate Collection, respectively). Directed by Francis Ford Coppola and filmed in 3-D, the sub-30-minute flick starred Jackson as the titular space captain, on a mission to a rotted-out netherworld to deliver a package to the evil Supreme Leader, played by Anjelica Huston. Joined by a crew of alternately furry, frumpy and robotic misfits ("Hooter!"), EO touches down on the junkyard planet, finds his way to the queen's lair, and drops the bomb on her -- his song. Overcome by the goodness of his music, the queen is transformed from a cackling H.R. Giger-like witch into a beautiful empress as Captain EO and his cohorts rock out on instruments seemingly picked up at the Mos Eisley Guitar Center. The rest of the planet and its inhabitants follow suit, morphing from Stormtroopers into Care Bears, mechanized detritus into vibrant flowers, etc. The moral of the story is pretty straightforward: Michael Jackson's music can transform a planet made of crap into a magical wonderland of color and light. Now who could argue with that? -- Garrett Kamps


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i love micheal jackson he touch my heart my heart i love all his music mike you will be miss and never will be for gotten and may god bless the family i love ya rip mike

6-25-09 I will never forget.... at the age of 41 Michael has touched me with all his music! Sending out the most positive messages!The craziest thing behind all this is that, I was inside the Apollo theater when Michael took his last Breath. It was My First born Child's H.S. Graduation! The sign outsdie the Apollo theater was so captivating ! N.Y.C third best H.S. (Comptemproary ARTS). If I would of known he was close to death. I would've probably been the first FAN to leave Flowers.I purchased a Wrist band Coursage for my daughter & would of left it behind in his memory. The worst thing had happened to me on Saturday Morning already feeling extermely emotional dealing with his DEATH. 6-27-09 I was ready to load photos taken on 6-25-09 were completely GONE someone had deleted my Grads Momentos. The Dream come true had became a total nightmare! I'm not a master at dig cams. & in search for help to retrieve those photos to sooth my Broken heart of not only loosing Michael But those photos in his memory! I took alot of usual photos being that it was my first time inside the Apollo theater building. 1 picture is must remember is her rubbing that LOGG! I'm quite sure no one would of taken! A few of her friends know what had happened & emailed there very own photos! I'm wondering if anyone took the sign they had up before the Bad News about Michael was released to the world! The sign outside changed so quickly to in loving memory of MJ! A GREAT LOST! Many Need to see & listen to his Music. Knowledge he wasn't the man many assumed he was!He loved us more than he could ever show through his music he speaks out words to help us get through all these negtive things & Gave his all to make things is this world change! The one song CRY many need to listen to those words & find out for yourself HE WAS TRYING TO GATHER US TOGETHER AS IN THE VIDEO...TO HELP CHANGE THE WORLD BUT CAN'T DO IT BY HIMSELF! GOD BLESS MICHAEL JACKSON! It's like loosing my Grandmother again! May God Help relief the pain his FAMILY & those that very close to him! REST IN PEACE MICHAEL YOU'LL ALWAYS BE MISSED & REMEBERED! ='(

MICHAEL JACKSON'S name rolls off the tongue like a song, the memories not always so smooth, sometimes confusing but very much Micheal. May his personal and professional contributions help us understand who Michael was and is - reminding us that we all are complex, fraile and very much human.

MICHAEL,YOU AND YOUR MUSIC WILL BE MISS.BUT,GOD HAVE YOU.YOU ARE IN HIS TENDER LOVING ARMS.MICHEAL YOU LIVE ON,IN MEMORIES.GOD BLESS YOU'RE FAMILY NOW AND 4/EVER AND ALWAYS.I LOVE U MICHEAL

Michael Jackson cut across race,nation,man-made boundaries to unite one and all in his sublime music. He is the one and only singer,dancer, music composer who cannot be replaced. His demise which cannot be accepted has created a huge lacuna ie irreplaceable. He is a legend, he is God's Gift to Mankind. He should not have become an addict to painkillers as the pain of his demise to those who loved him cannot be subdued. Long Live Michael Jackson !!!

michael-jacson is a lovel man, he music move me that is why i love it.
michael jacson music move people all round the world
the music is very good and people love it.

michael jackson even lives in our hearts, in the humanity's legacy, he/she is an immortal and east privilege is owed to its brilliant idea, I love you michael.

Michael Jackson always gonna be Michael Jacksoon the true king of pop. god bless MICHAEL JACKSON

God bless you Michael Jackson RIP and to the Jackson family remember God still Loves you all Thank you Jesus. Porsche' and Justin Norman Dancers from the Kennedy Tap Company send their best wishes. Love from the Norman family Lewis,Rene,Porsche'and Justin.
(TAP DANCERS)


His love for music his style of dancing..oh how i remember, 1972 summer at the beach, backing the cars up turning on Micheal!Couldnt wait to here Michaels songs. My favorite: CANT STOP TILL I GET ENOUGH.Ben and ABC. He was our idol and our dance teacher....Will never forget you MICHAEL! MAY YOU REST IN PEACE AND THE FAMILY KNOW HOW MUCH LOVE YOU BROUGHT TO ALL! SEE YOU IN HEAVEN........

I am still mourning Michael Jackson, I told a friend today that until Michael is laid to rest, I will not have closure. The song "Got To Be There" stays in my mind all day. I am listening to thriller and missing Michael dearly. Never has there been such an all around entertainer, and there will never be another in my lifetime. Rest on Michael!! I love you!

mike people i am so sick of what people have to say if every one was likegod foot steps thay would mind there owen buness anddo ja god work and be happy thay dont no what we been thoug the news people should be a shame of there self talking have love in your hart ifyou have one god give us all one and the oldest sister shoud be a samed of her self mike has never did a thing to her and vicktora honey you are not jgod if he can for give you can thats your mom. and dad and family don you ever for get it he has to live with what he done he should of been taken to a cic like me.i went all most the same thing hedid. i for give i just cant for get. i will never be a haful person.i wish i could of meet himm and his family and if there is any brother that dosnt have any one i would love tobe in your famiy sobad i no im 50 years old look like 25 than ja-god for that.i love youall jackson family 360-332-1079.singal give a call if you want a wonder full women.very good and loveing .ardith dillard ilike to be called lucky .i love you all so much i wish i had the money i would go to mikes funr hay kiss and hugs all ways and for ever .lucky 1577 d. st.#15 blaine wa 98230.

Wow!! It's still hard to believe Michaels gone. As a dj on the southside of chicago, I'm very deep into the music era. Some acts I didn't follow much, but when it came to Michael you had no choice but to stop what your doing just to see what's up with him. I really wish the reporters weren't so heavy on him maybe we could have learned a lot more. Maybe we could have acctually seen his childrens face but the reporters messed that all up. Another thing that I just found out is that he hasn't been on the neverland ranch since the aquittal, that was very heartbreaking to me. After the sherrif raided his ranch they raided his fans as well. If anybody knows Michael he wanted children all over the world to be safe and happy, and not to have a childhood anywhere near like his own. As far as I'm concerned Michael was INNOCENT the whole time. I remember the various tabloids in the grocery stores all over the world and I used to see Michaels picture on the covers and I would get upset because I knew that those Tabloids were nothing but LIERS I've never supported none of then they are desighned to tare us down as Entertainers for their own personal gain. They had a hand in Michaels condition as well as Joseph Jackson. And speaking of Joseph Jackson I see he hasn't changed much. He's on TV talking about how he has a new record company and Michael just passed. Well I see he's still only thinking of himself. Boy that statement make me very angry. He should have let them young men be young men like the rest of the children in the neighborhood. I miss Michael a lot and I've never met him. But when your into music like I am, these superstars become a big part of your life. Because as a DJ your waiting on the next project. I'm playing his music and videos in my studio everyday. I Love You Michael Jackson R.I.P. your little brother Matthew Yates aka Matt The Mixologist

we will miss you in are lifetime MICHAEL
AND WE ARE HURTING TO AND GOD IS LOVEING YOU
NOW MICHAEL AND GOODBYE....
BY JOHN FINKEY

With the death of Michael Jackson the pop industry has lost its king. Many envied him, perhaps even killed because of greed, but his songs remain in our hearts. Talent, as he was not and will not be. Most of his best songs I downloaded from the site mp3 music .

Thank you Michael for making us laugh and cry, for helping relieve the world´s pain...thank you for your gift of music and your generous outpour of compassion and love. Your spirit, your music and your unmatched talent will live forever in every corner of this planet.

I am not really a jackson fan,but the song heal the world changed me,it brings tears in my eyes every time i hear.Hats off to the all time great star.It is hard to believe he is dead .His death manifolds thousand times his genorosity and his talent.

Micheal you are been missed by the young and old generation, you are the man blessed love. Rem always

MICHAEL OSTACES ZAUVEK U NASIM SRCIMA,HVALA TI NASVEMU,TVOJE PESME TVOJI HITOVI NIKADA SE NECE ZABORAVITI.VOLI TE CELA Srbija!!! Love you Michael

i was very upset when i heard that M.J. had died that rely hurt me to my heart and he just touch so many people why he was a live and i am sorry for the lost of M.J and his family will all ways be in my prayer and i am so happy that his mother get to keep the childern cause they are happy with there garndmother and i say let them stay with her his mom was by his side threw evrything that he went threw people saying bad things about him but what about the good that he did like go vist the sick and how he walk the hostptail and how everyone start crying when they saw him walking the halls ways and he never talk bad about nobody and nown that he is gone there are people got something to say and a lot of you do not have the write to jugde him but GOD some of you that on here is no better then he was so if you do not have nothing nice to say shut your dam mouth and that all that i have to say and GOD BLESS THIS WORD cause if we do not stop what we are doing GOD IS COMEING FOR ALL OF US AND HE DO NOT CARE WHAT COLOR YOU ARE AND THAT FOR DAM SURE

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